Respec and Meaning of Rank vet

after the events that happened lately i Felt like i have to do something ... well here its what i have to say!

First of all to you cero and every other officer ! :
Whats the point of Vet rank if u don't get the option to help and affect the guild ?!
i mean Are u series wtf "Vets Votes doesnt Count" ??? Vets get thier rank for Beeing Loyalty and Helpfull to the guild !!!
so if a vet Doesn't want to be an officer He cant Vote ???!!! vets and officer Needs to work together we Getting our info and data from the vets players Who are active and have Long experience with the guild! The only different between officer and a vet is that Officer have the power to make an action !
Vet and officer should have the SAME affect on issues Like At least who to invite to the guild !!! And get the Respect they deserve as a Veteran !

Second thing i wanna say:
Things here on this guild Need to Change ! people should Talk with some respect ! To who ever They talk with !
It doesn't make a different IF Ur Initiate or a member or vet Or even Officer !
higher rank don't give us the Power to think we are better then the other or the other isn't Important !
We are first of all Humans so SHOW SOME RESPECT !

Now about what happened with Khalay ! i Hope u all got the Message here ! And hopefully it Wont happened Again !
Hopefully After some things will change we will get khalay Back Just this time give him the respect he deserves First as a human and then as a Veteran !
(we should Keep people like him not Pushing them away!!)


I hope i cleared It all,Hopefully things will changed

Have a nice day everyone !

i totaly agree with bagoss ppl should show the respect to each other ingame and at the forum ...
about the vetaren rank i think they should have some more power so they can effect in guild not just a rank .. after all i see some vetarens like khalay and nenaduis is active at the forum and in game more than any other officers in this guild .. they was here from the begining they rebuild the guild when some officers wasnt here and now after we become strong and got back some of our glory that we had before we should pay back to them they dont need a god damn medallion just SHOW SOME RESPECT TO THEM.

After all Vetaren rank back to legion wasnt easy to get .. but now many Vetarens in guild who isnt active or they was mempers back to legion and now become vetarens .. maybe the way to slove this make a new rank for the active helpful vetarens and give them more power ??

WTB KHALAY BACK !!!!

Regards.
Coldzero~

agree with bba I ALWAYS THOUGHT VETS ARE LIKE OFFICERS IN SOME WAYS , some kind of smal officers, or smthing, what is point of vets if they cant do shit, they musthave some influence
INITIATE IS FOR NEWCOMERS
MEMBERS for people long in guild
VETS for members who are not only long in guild, it is for ppl who are proven as guild helpers as ppl who help officers help gmates, who lead this guild to something, who makes things
Officers are leaders of guild, ppl who lead but u are same ass al ppl here LOL, u should always fix things help ppl, make them happy make this guild betther place, not to ruin it
MALIK U GIVED EVEN INVITE OPTION TO VETS, and now u say they dont have right to say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf
even members can vote, but officers will decide, NOT WHAT THEY WONT, THEY WILL DECIDE WHAT MOST OF GUILD PPL WONT ... officers are not high above us u are just one of same....


officers must be more fucking active on guild i agree with khal few offic are now active .. sometimes more, but in 24h - average 1 max 2 officers online we have more offic online on about 10-12 server time LOL and whole day no officers, i come much times here and dont see any of them, and who takes care of ppl then vets soo wtf are u doing ppl, if u dont need vets demote us all and make only initiates and members (i wona be punished becouse it is rarest rank w/o gm)



bored of typing , going to sleep



AND HOW U GIVE VETS RANK TO PPL NOW LOL I SEEE MILIONS OF VETS NOW WHY, ON WHICH BASIS??? ON LEGION VET RANK WAS HARD TO GET IT , PPL WAS PROUD TO HAVE IT, U GIVED VET RANK TO ALL FROM LEGION lol, TO EVERYONE LONG HERE lol NONSENSE

coldzero vets dont need some special pover just respect from oficers, like we give them our respect, when they respect us, all gmembers will do the same, and i know lots of vets who are well respected from members ... so stop this fucking nonsense, MAKE RULES FOR RANKS!!!


tell what u wont to vets do to help t guild or just to have rank name VETS lol


i told it when some officers made app, TO E OFFICER IS NOT RANK IT IS MORE THEN IT I DONT WISH TO BE OFFICER BECOUSE I THINK I DO LOT TO GUILD AS VET, AND I WONT TO MORE AS OFFICER BECOUSE I DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO GUILDIES NOW, IT IS JUST RANK NAME TO ME


JUST RESPECT EACH OTHERS



yes coldzero when i got vet rank on legion i was fucking proud of it, it was something like being officer !!!! so ppl respect each other againnnnnnnnnnn OFFICER CAN NOT OFFENSE ANYBODY AS SAME WAY NOONE CAN NOT OFFENSE OFFICERS OR ANY G MEMBER

ColdZero wrote:

i totaly agree with bagoss ppl should show the respect to each other ingame and at the forum ...
about the vetaren rank i think they should have some more power so they can effect in guild not just a rank .. after all i see some vetarens like khalay and nenaduis is active at the forum and in game more than any other officers in this guild .. they was here from the begining they rebuild the guild when some officers wasnt here and now after we become strong and got back some of our glory that we had before we should pay back to them they dont need a god damn medallion just SHOW SOME RESPECT TO THEM.

After all Vetaren rank back to legion wasnt easy to get .. but now many Vetarens in guild who isnt active or they was mempers back to legion and now become vetarens .. maybe the way to slove this make a new rank for the active helpful vetarens and give them more power ??

WTB KHALAY BACK !!!!

Regards.
Coldzero~

this make a new rank for the active helpful vetarens and give them more power ??this make a new rank for the active helpful vetarens and give them more power ??this make a new rank for the active helpful vetarens and give them more power ??this make a new rank for the active helpful vetarens and give them more power ??

if wona meke new rank bether make something as vets leader , raid leader, .... or something give it to ppl who deserve it , if there is one, AND WE NEED AGAIN CLASS LEADERS LOL IT IS TOO OLD IT IS FROM LEGION , but i thin we DON NEED MORE RANKS






p.s somebody say something i am mega spamming this, lol o wonted to go to sleep 2 hours ago, and still on forum LOL

p.s. officers i love u all, just hate when some of u are ignorant and dont give a damn for things happening in guild

Well ok since all vets and even officers want's that ok we are democrats so w/e but i just think that leaving IS NOT A FUCKING SOLUTION, you can talk before or make a poll or whatever OMG!!!

ok as im saying this i didnt mean any fckin disrespect at all....i was juz wondering...coz malik 1 min says they count 1 min its juz opinion;....how is that disrespectful......personally....i think they do deserve 2 have theyre votes counted along side offi votes so now my main point is .....MALIK MAKE UP UR MIND...ARE THEY JUZ OPINIONS OR SHUD THEY BE OFFICIALY COUNTED IN 2...b4 this causes any more internal tension

IAM THE ONLY MASTER HERE AND YOU WILL OBEY TO MY WISHES MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Ceronnis wrote:

Well ok since all vets and even officers want's that ok we are democrats so w/e but i just think that leaving IS NOT A FUCKING SOLUTION, you can talk before or make a poll or whatever OMG!!!

I agree with you cero Running is not the solution but he Got a point ... it is Frustrating To do so much for the guild
and Get nothing in return !

bbagoss wrote:

Ceronnis wrote:

Well ok since all vets and even officers want's that ok we are democrats so w/e but i just think that leaving IS NOT A FUCKING SOLUTION, you can talk before or make a poll or whatever OMG!!!

I agree with you cero Running is not the solution but he Got a point ... it is Frustrating To do so much for the guild
and Get nothing in return !

Well if he do much for something back it's definitly not his place here you do for your friends and for you cause u are getting loots too so don't say i do for others that's the spirit of a guild if you don't like it play alone like many did

Ceronnis wrote:

bbagoss wrote:

Ceronnis wrote:

Well ok since all vets and even officers want's that ok we are democrats so w/e but i just think that leaving IS NOT A FUCKING SOLUTION, you can talk before or make a poll or whatever OMG!!!

I agree with you cero Running is not the solution but he Got a point ... it is Frustrating To do so much for the guild
and Get nothing in return !

Well if he do much for something back it's definitly not his place here you do for your friends and for you cause u are getting loots too so don't say i do for others that's the spirit of a guild if you don't like it play alone like many did

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Once again I didnt run from nothing I just dont admit disrespect in my RL so why would I accept it ingame? I am no troublemaker so I left guild instead of making some kind of waves. I did it once when a newbie named Mahotah started disrespect me and Omar in gchat and forum...just came back because my real friends in guild asked me too do it...Everyone active on guild knows about this.
I never expected nothing in return when I helped the guild, but at least some appreciation and respect thats all, if I cant get even that well then I can play alone as you said...All I wanted was to have an active voice in guild issues, I didnt wanted to decide nothing but whats the diference between a member and a veteran then? But as I said before lets close this issue please.

Again Khalay im with u ... and Belive me everyone thanks full for what ur Done and u will get the respect u deserve and i talked with cero and Vets have now officially have the right to Vote ! and affect more on the guild

bbagoss wrote:

Again Khalay im with u ... and Belive me everyone thanks full for what ur Done and u will get the respect u deserve and i talked with cero and Vets have now officially have the right to Vote ! and affect more on the guild

I think this will be just word lol it is too much confuse here, maybe Malik should make post to describe ranks

I haven't been participating in this whole ordeal between Dtotem and Khalay but I just want to say that Ruben has a point... I mean vets have the ability to invite people to the guild but they aren't allowed to vote in applications? It's kind of weird but anyway...

I just want to give my suggestions. I think from now on we should be stricter with the giving the Veteran rank and giving Veterans more privileges. One of them being that they have a say in the applications... Or not exactly a vote, but rather allowed to give advice/their view because there are some VERY, VERY active veterans and they know what they're talking about... sometimes

That's just my 2 cents make of it what you will.

Rysard wrote:

I haven't been participating in this whole ordeal between Dtotem and Khalay but I just want to say that Ruben has a point... I mean vets have the ability to invite people to the guild but they aren't allowed to vote in applications? It's kind of weird but anyway...

I just want to give my suggestions. I think from now on we should be stricter with the giving the Veteran rank and giving Veterans more privileges. One of them being that they have a say in the applications... Or not exactly a vote, but rather allowed to give advice/their view because there are some VERY, VERY active veterans and they know what they're talking about... sometimes

That's just my 2 cents make of it what you will.

Veterans can not invite people to guild, becouse this privilege was abolished.

Hudd wrote:

Rysard wrote:

I haven't been participating in this whole ordeal between Dtotem and Khalay but I just want to say that Ruben has a point... I mean vets have the ability to invite people to the guild but they aren't allowed to vote in applications? It's kind of weird but anyway...

I just want to give my suggestions. I think from now on we should be stricter with the giving the Veteran rank and giving Veterans more privileges. One of them being that they have a say in the applications... Or not exactly a vote, but rather allowed to give advice/their view because there are some VERY, VERY active veterans and they know what they're talking about... sometimes

That's just my 2 cents make of it what you will.

Veterans can not invite people to guild, becouse this privilege was abolished.

Hmm didn't know that, well okay that's good :p But still.. As far as I remember back on legion Veterans had a say in applications but not a solid vote.

Rysard wrote:

Hudd wrote:

Rysard wrote:

I haven't been participating in this whole ordeal between Dtotem and Khalay but I just want to say that Ruben has a point... I mean vets have the ability to invite people to the guild but they aren't allowed to vote in applications? It's kind of weird but anyway...

I just want to give my suggestions. I think from now on we should be stricter with the giving the Veteran rank and giving Veterans more privileges. One of them being that they have a say in the applications... Or not exactly a vote, but rather allowed to give advice/their view because there are some VERY, VERY active veterans and they know what they're talking about... sometimes

That's just my 2 cents make of it what you will.

Veterans can not invite people to guild, becouse this privilege was abolished.

Hmm didn't know that, well okay that's good :p But still.. As far as I remember back on legion Veterans had a say in applications but not a solid vote.

thats the whole POINT chris....im merely questioning whther veterans count as an OPINION or VOTE.....he juz took it as a fckin insult....ffs malik nvr ever makes it fckin clear and i end up dealing with flak coz of this

No confuse... veterans are alowed to vote and ppl should get the respect they deserve END of discussion

bbagoss wrote:

No confuse... veterans are alowed to vote and ppl should get the respect they deserve END of discussion

thats the thing 1 min ur saying its votes...chris n malik says its opinion bla bla bla allget confused i try ask 2 sort itout....and juz by coincidence its afters khalays post...he gets offended....real mature

Dtotem wrote:

bbagoss wrote:

No confuse... veterans are alowed to vote and ppl should get the respect they deserve END of discussion

thats the thing 1 min ur saying its votes...chris n malik says its opinion bla bla bla allget confused i try ask 2 sort itout....and juz by coincidence its afters khalays post...he gets offended....real mature

Dont take it personally or something Dt ...
Just from now vet are alowed to vote ...
dt ur not the Bad guy actually no one is just was here a Huge Confusion!

Dtotem wrote:

bbagoss wrote:

No confuse... veterans are alowed to vote and ppl should get the respect they deserve END of discussion

thats the thing 1 min ur saying its votes...chris n malik says its opinion bla bla bla allget confused i try ask 2 sort itout....and juz by coincidence its afters khalays post...he gets offended....real mature

I am not a kid Dtotem and I did what I done for actually beeing mature...This is a damn game, in my RL there are some things I simply dont admit to no one, why should I admit it ingame?!

About Vet power, this was discussed several times long ago. I even remembered one time that Cero offered Vets the power to kick and demote ppl from the guild. I was a vet at the time and i voted against it. Because the mayor responsibilities should lay on the officers and GM.

Veterans DO have a say in apps, Veterans can post and give their opinion on applications (as opposed to members and initiate whose posts get, or should get, deleted right away; since they don't have the right to post on app section)

Veterans also have some other nondescripted powers.

In any argument, I will always take the word of a vet over that of a member or an initiate if there are no screenshots available.

Advice from vets are always greatly heeded and often applied, when possible.

Also Vets get a lot more leniency when they mess up, we always try to talk to them and try to solve things the most diplomatic way possible before considering taking a harsh action, where a member or Initiate would get gkicked.

As I see it, the only difference between Vets and officers, is that we (the officers) have the duty and responsibility to keep discipline within the guild, and sometimes become the bad guy when demoting or gkicking. We have to take decisions that we may not like, but it's our job. Vets don't have that responsibility.

Khalay wrote:

Dtotem wrote:

bbagoss wrote:

No confuse... veterans are alowed to vote and ppl should get the respect they deserve END of discussion

thats the thing 1 min ur saying its votes...chris n malik says its opinion bla bla bla allget confused i try ask 2 sort itout....and juz by coincidence its afters khalays post...he gets offended....real mature

I am not a kid Dtotem and I did what I done for actually beeing mature...This is a damn game, in my RL there are some things I simply dont admit to no one, why should I admit it ingame?!

Khalay, I understand that you don't take shit from anyone. I'm just like that. You don't have to take shit from people. I just want to ask you to be the bigger man and try not to get too locked up in yourself and above all control your temper so you don't blow up on peoples faces. I think an apology is in order. I hope that would be enough to have both of you to let it go and move on.

Haaly wrote:

Khalay wrote:

Dtotem wrote:

bbagoss wrote:

No confuse... veterans are alowed to vote and ppl should get the respect they deserve END of discussion

thats the thing 1 min ur saying its votes...chris n malik says its opinion bla bla bla allget confused i try ask 2 sort itout....and juz by coincidence its afters khalays post...he gets offended....real mature

I am not a kid Dtotem and I did what I done for actually beeing mature...This is a damn game, in my RL there are some things I simply dont admit to no one, why should I admit it ingame?!

Khalay, I understand that you don't take shit from anyone. I'm just like that. You don't have to take shit from people. I just want to ask you to be the bigger man and try not to get too locked up in yourself and above all control your temper so you don't blow up on peoples faces. I think an apology is in order. I hope that would be enough to have both of you to let it go and move on.

I didnt blow up on anyone face haaly, I just turn my back at it an moved on. I believe that when we arent happy at some place or with someone we move away, this is how I am...I didnt meant to cause any harm to the comunity and my farewell topic was just to inform guildmates and to avoid the spam ingame asking why I left...i even ask cero to lock topic...I have nothing against Dtotem, I dont even know him and this is a game. I am not angry with no one and I am happy that at least my leaving have changed something.

Khalay wrote:

Haaly wrote:

Khalay wrote:

Dtotem wrote:

bbagoss wrote:

No confuse... veterans are alowed to vote and ppl should get the respect they deserve END of discussion

thats the thing 1 min ur saying its votes...chris n malik says its opinion bla bla bla allget confused i try ask 2 sort itout....and juz by coincidence its afters khalays post...he gets offended....real mature

I am not a kid Dtotem and I did what I done for actually beeing mature...This is a damn game, in my RL there are some things I simply dont admit to no one, why should I admit it ingame?!

Khalay, I understand that you don't take shit from anyone. I'm just like that. You don't have to take shit from people. I just want to ask you to be the bigger man and try not to get too locked up in yourself and above all control your temper so you don't blow up on peoples faces. I think an apology is in order. I hope that would be enough to have both of you to let it go and move on.

I didnt blow up on anyone face haaly, I just turn my back at it an moved on. I believe that when we arent happy at some place or with someone we move away, this is how I am...I didnt meant to cause any harm to the comunity and my farewell topic was just to inform guildmates and to avoid the spam ingame asking why I left...i even ask cero to lock topic...I have nothing against Dtotem, I dont even know him and this is a game. I am not angry with no one and I am happy that at least my leaving have changed something.

well i did aplogise...1 of d earlier posts;......sec healing at maex n typing this at same time

just PMed Dtotem to clarify some things...

Khalay wrote:

just PMed Dtotem to clarify some things...

Khalay dtotem is not the one to blame anywas not that rules are cleared
vets are allowed to vote and now they will take some activity on guild issues
People should get the respect they deserve!

so pleas stop spamming about this issue

like i said before khalay u are welcome to come back
Believe Me everyone will be happy to gain u back!!!

bbagoss wrote:

Khalay wrote:

just PMed Dtotem to clarify some things...

Khalay dtotem is not the one to blame anywas not that rules are cleared
vets are allowed to vote and now they will take some activity on guild issues
People should get the respect they deserve!

so pleas stop spamming about this issue

like i said before khalay u are welcome to come back
Believe Me everyone will be happy to gain u back!!!

I PMed Dtotem in order to get things straight, no hard feelings I dont want to leave guild and leave behind something unsolved.
And you can lock the topic if you want.

thing is right now and solved now khalay as i said before ur way out of guildelcome to
come back !
u dont have any reasons to stay out of guild !

Guys cnt we do a list or somthing of what the Rank Vet means?

I mean if u cant do anything to infulence the guild in anyway there is no real point of the rank its just a fancy word.

All i want to know is what the diffrence between being a Initiante Member and Vet is, because is seems like that are just words for now.

danbc wrote:

Guys cnt we do a list or somthing of what the Rank Vet means?

I mean if u cant do anything to infulence the guild in anyway there is no real point of the rank its just a fancy word.

All i want to know is what the diffrence between being a Initiante Member and Vet is, because is seems like that are just words for now.

Thats Cero job .... he should make it soon

bbagoss wrote:

danbc wrote:

Guys cnt we do a list or somthing of what the Rank Vet means?

I mean if u cant do anything to infulence the guild in anyway there is no real point of the rank its just a fancy word.

All i want to know is what the diffrence between being a Initiante Member and Vet is, because is seems like that are just words for now.

Thats Cero job .... he should make it soon

That is not Cero's job. That is my job and I'll get to it soon.

Ken wrote:

bbagoss wrote:

danbc wrote:

Guys cnt we do a list or somthing of what the Rank Vet means?

I mean if u cant do anything to infulence the guild in anyway there is no real point of the rank its just a fancy word.

All i want to know is what the diffrence between being a Initiante Member and Vet is, because is seems like that are just words for now.

Thats Cero job .... he should make it soon

That is not Cero's job. That is my job and I'll get to it soon.

k then its ur job xD

Cero bad at talking. =D.

nope Ken he is in love maybe

Nenadus wrote:

nope Ken he is in love maybe

About time ... he needs some woman touch

bbagoss wrote:

Nenadus wrote:

nope Ken he is in love maybe

About time ... he needs some woman touch

hw can u be sure its a woman....

Dtotem wrote:

bbagoss wrote:

Nenadus wrote:

nope Ken he is in love maybe

About time ... he needs some woman touch

hw can u be sure its a woman....

Good point...

bbagoss wrote:

Dtotem wrote:

bbagoss wrote:

Nenadus wrote:

nope Ken he is in love maybe

About time ... he needs some woman touch

hw can u be sure its a woman....

Good point...

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