With regards to G-raids

I would like to post this thread as to inform the guild about what is going on as regard to G-raid.

unfortuitally every time we have tried to set up a g-raid the participation is extreamly minimal. I, and numerous officers have set up

countless raid in which out of 20 g-members being online and able to raid lvl 80 instances only about 10 join 4 of which i have to directly

whisper and ask why they are unable to join. (note: The 6 which join are almost always the same people)

just to prove this matter i have taken the liberty taking a screen shot during Chris's G-raid to OS.


as you can clearly see 19 members are online 3 of which are under 80


8 people joined (1 offline)

Do your maths people because i count 8 ppl ount of raid .. that means less then half people able to raid did not come.

Now of course i understand that people are somthimes busy and of course do not feel like raiding, but listen up people its not all about you .. i

today i set up 2 raids just for Dtotem in order to help him get a 2h, alot of the Oficcers (ex:haaly) stayed coming to these raids even though

they wanted to level up their alts, i w/ him telling him there is no direct need for him to join he replied saying it was to set an example ....

unfortunitally there was no1 to set the example to, the whole g-raid was made up of officers and vets.


I am sure almost every1 has read the app which all state "i will ""JOIN"" g-raids even if i am busy" .. im sorry but from what i've seen this

past week .. nice bullshite ppl..


but that is not the thing that pisses me off the most .. its the fact that when i w/ ppl to ask them to join or ask them why the dont join they

simply ignore me .. at fist i though it wass because i was under rank"member" but then i see the same thing in all oficers g-raid.


I hope this amatureism will stop and rules will be upheld.

Thanks,

Dan

Past two (2) days I saw the same thing... and thinking of creating arena team called `Cow and Elf`... just for the fun part of it, spending 6+ hours whit Dtotem and almost the same guys every time in our "guild" raids.

Some ppl said countless times I'm bussy or I can't help you now or if you need me w/me and lets face it OS Farm is no fun at all why you don't have the same problem with Naxx raids? 80% of us join 1 min or so after anyone say "G-raid to Naxx or something about KT" and NAxx is not realy fun like every 5 mins you have to relog to pass tru wall/gate/door if you need EoV from OS don't say Graid you can say something like anyone free to help me i need EoV or blahh your right not many ppl join OS but when i was lvln every 10 min or so there was something about OS in our gchat ppl are bored from this mubs killing instance...I don't know much about the boss and the drakes but I was in about 15 raids for OS 6-7 made from Rusty for EoV farms...2-3 Graids that we do the same and the rest pugs I haven't seen the big red chicken there called boss to die and I wanna see it not just stupid elites dien all the time and it really boring to click countless times on "x" xD to pass item if you need someone to help you just ask him on w/ that's what I can say about this problem...and if you think a bit you'll see that you don't have problems for Naxx or HoL or UP think why ^^

What happened to the good old days when we'd just force everyone to come to the graids
/sigh

i think we have to start new system for the Graids like telling all ppl by the guild massege there is Graid on server time and all must join it and who ever wont join must be punshed . btw i aslways ask for Graids inv thast just my opinion =)

ColdZero wrote:

i think we have to start new system for the Graids like telling all ppl by the guild massege there is Graid on server time and all must join it and who ever wont join must be punshed . btw i aslways ask for Graids inv thast just my opinion =)

a system liek that is already in operation however no punishements r beging become of .. so the rules must be stricter as regards to G-raids

I can be the bad guy. I'll personally /w every person online. say something like: "we need you at graid, leave your current group and join us." If I get ignored, I demote, If I get a response like "I'm farming mats for +20 agi enchant" I respond "drop it and join us." else demote xD

All who approve of this system say "LEEEROY JENKIIINSSS"

PS: Only way I'll let you off the hook is that you are either helping another guildie lvl up or have already dropped whatever you where doing to help other graids recently.

LEEEROY JENKIIINSSS

although when i tink about it, it is sad that we have to demote ourselfes to thretening the get people to join a guild raid ofc if ppl just joined

like they ARE supposed to we wouldnt need to relay on suc brute tactics.

Just wait for DKP sytem to be updated for LK and we will see graids flowing again.

Also try to schedule them (calendar or forums) so we make some free time to graid, dont just make them whenever you feel like it and expect everyone to join.


I personally dont like someone spamming for a graid out of nowhere, when I had planned to do something else, but if you posted/gmessage a few hours before then Ill def join and I think others will too.

Just my 2cents

ColdZero wrote:

i think we have to start new system for the Graids like telling all ppl by the guild massege there is Graid on server time and all must join it and who ever wont join must be punished . btw i aslways ask for Graids inv thast just my opinion =)

That Is the problem m8. The past G raids we did in TBC were different than these, all we have to do is get back to that and NOT try new stuff as the late system proved efficient countless times. Now I haven't been playing alot since I came back but I have played enough to say this:

I hardly saw any graids during my play time but even when I saw no one would answer in gchat or even once to whispers.


Now of course I know that can happen, but hey when it happens all the time, then something stinks, and its NOT my feet. <_< (I washed them)


Sooo 1 solution would be spamming from the graid leader who is a officer WITH frendly reputation among the guildies and punishing non-afk people that refuse to answer to "why can't you join?" /OR/ don't answer although they aren't afk in 2-3 minutes of time. (I think you get auto afk after 5 minutes or less). And ofcourse there is the option even after some raids start that the leader tris to check on the gchat all the time, not only raid chat.

Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy!

sounds good bal

LEEEROY JENKIIINSSS

sry to say but some ppl of our guild is really greedy to get items..they really dont care about guild raids where they dont need anything.they r just running through those raid where they need something.while i was online i joined maximum graid with dtotem/dan/auto/rebe with my 4 80 alts ..i also spammed gchat many times that why they cant join us.. in that mean time i saw they r redoing KT manytimes but still didnt join us...its really sad..i hope officers will more strict about this matter..we really dont want those greedy ppl in our loving guild...thnx

~~~ Dolon

I think we should hold more interesting Graids like maybe Naxx bosses like KEL, patch, Gluth etc. I think i know why no one wants to join Graids for OS cause its kinda plain stupid, killing mobs to get Sath items and killing the mob over and over and over again. Why do we need demigods to kill pathetic mobs? I think whoever needs OS should just find a pub, its nt realy necessary to drag the whole guild down just to kill some mob. Or like what page said ask whoever is free to come for OS etc etc. This is just my view and a plausible explanation of why no one joins OS Graids.

its not just OS graids, I've been to at least 3 KT raids made by Tony, and to my sad experience most people were from CV and other guilds, even summo showed up to those raids. I've been waiting for DKP tables to be updated to WOTLK to be able to hold some DKP graids. I already have the addon and its not hard to use.

Anyway, I will be enforcing "brutal tactics" from now on. So be prepared. Of course I will also have a g message set up so everyone will be informed hours beforehand.

Lol guys its summer!! Instead of arguing over wow shouldnt you be chillin out at some beach with your gfs?!?! Just get out of your house and do something creative that is not related to PCs or videogames

yeeeeah, it might not seem like it, but I do stuff other than playing WoW y'know, living in a caribbean island home to the most beautyful women in the world (Venezuela) in the middle of vacation break with the cheapest booze in the continent and all. (bottle of good rum is about $5, beer $0.50, 12yo Buchannan's about $30) But this isn't a booze, beach and gf community, is it? last time I checked this was a WoW community, so I would think that main subject here should be WoW... Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I thought.

Edit: Bit cranky and hungover today, sorry if I insulted or mistreated anyone.

After that slight off topic cough( SUMMERR!!!!! WHOOHOOO )cough

I have to agree with Haaly .. we need dkp system ... so until this we will have to continue with this system

i still tink it is degrading that ppl only join G-Raid only when threatened, Such noobish-ness should not be seen or heard off through out our guild comunity

(i love it when Haaly goes all tough )

danbc wrote:

(i love it when Haaly goes all tough )

U iz mah b1tch

Winter here lols

Haaly wrote:

danbc wrote:

(i love it when Haaly goes all tough )

U iz mah b1tch

ur bitch 4 life

hahahaha I loled irl xD

i do not agree with Haaly, because violence and fear isnt the way to rule, because then we would become tyrants . i dont think we should demote ppl because they do not join a graid. I think we should just express our disappointment at them and make them feel guilty. i however agree with teh DKP system, that would solve the problem for sure

on another note, Daniel, continue organising graids coz for me they are really helping me

god forbid! I'm not demoting anyone for not joining a graid!!! I'm demoting them because they lied on their apps xD

You see, I think lies are a direct offense to officers, veterans, and the guild as a whole.

I get easily pissed off by suckups, so if you lie on your app, just to suck up to the evaluating officers, you get on my nerves.

Lying to someone implies that you think that the person you are lying to is gullible enough to believe what you are telling him. So by lying to a person you are basically calling him an imbecile.

If you find me ONE accepted app where it says "I will join graids whenever I damn well please" I will personally promote that person to Vet. (editing your app, makes a small msg appear at the bottom of your post, stating date and time of last edit. So I will know if you edited your app just to prove me wrong)

Many say that RL come first, but if they are busy with RL they wouldn't be online at the moment, would they? this server has a nifty little feature that disconnects you when you stay afk for more than 20 minutes xD

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion and I respect it.

However I see a small fault in your logic. You see, guilt only affects people who care about what you think about them. So if I try to guilt someone into joining graids I will be manipulating that persons feelings (if I succeed) or I will just fail miserably in the face of apathy. So its pretty much a lose-lose situation.

Haaly wrote:

I'm demoting them because they lied on their apps xD

i do agree now, its rlly pissing off when they say they will join graids so they get the sympathy vote, but then ingame they just ignore. For me it is very immature and therefore shoudl pe punished

Haaly you do what you gatta do or else im find a new pimp

Rebe wrote:

Just wait for DKP sytem to be updated for LK and we will see graids flowing again.

Also try to schedule them (calendar or forums) so we make some free time to graid, dont just make them whenever you feel like it and expect everyone to join.


I personally dont like someone spamming for a graid out of nowhere, when I had planned to do something else, but if you posted/gmessage a few hours before then Ill def join and I think others will too.

Just my 2cents

best answet and solution so far. Get DKP back again and ppl will start joining Graids again and get a calendar or something so member know when are graids gonna happen

Like Rebe said earlier, I think we should post a schedule of what type of raids we would be doing in a particular week ahead of time so that everyone will be able to set aside some time to do them,and it should be on a routine basis. For instance, every Saturdays we would do one section of Naxx, like the military quarter; and for every Sundays we could do another wing etc. As for the low participation, I think that would be solve if we conduct the graids on a consistent basis instead of just scheduling one in the spur of the moment.

goldenz wrote:

Like Rebe said earlier, I think we should post a schedule of what type of raids we would be doing in a particular week ahead of time so that everyone will be able to set aside some time to do them,and it should be on a routine basis. For instance, every Saturdays we would do one section of Naxx, like the military quarter; and for every Sundays we could do another wing etc. As for the low participation, I think that would be solve if we conduct the graids on a consistent basis instead of just scheduling one in the spur of the moment.

^ I agree with dat we need a shedule people.